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发表于 2009-10-14 12:28:37 | 显示全部楼层
我看过比较多 有雕的很多图腾或者头像
发表于 2009-10-25 11:28:04 | 显示全部楼层
Well guys am very happy to be in this forum and I have translated the above discussion and to my understanding, the poster of this topic thinks that most painted djembe from some country in African are not good in quality and they are often known as tourist djembe, because they are carved with many designs to hide the some breakages of the wood and just to deceive people or buyers who do not know much about djembe. And If he says djembe coming from that country are not good and they are for tourism purposes and i will harldy disagreed with him. he also said they are made from soft wood that is why they do not sound well, that I also disgreed with him. Yes I do agree with him of some of the point that some people are making the djembe purely for money reason but I must also say that there are also very good djembe also coming from that country.
Most of the djembe importers from that country do not import they are djembe from the right source. they mostly buy or order they are djembe from the tourism centre in that country, so you should expect a tourist djembe.
There are equally very good djembe makers in that country and they produce djembe that after testing you will always love to make the djembe your second wife or girl friend: lol

I must say that, a good djembe maker can use a soft or a hard wood to produce a very good quality sound of djembe because of his skill and technique he uses.

I will give you a very good example some country in Asia produces djembe with good wood, very beautiful l (Flashy ooks) , but the most important thing the sound are of bad quality. Ask yourself  the big question Why? and my answer will be, because they lack of skills and technique.

So you see djembe building do not necce necessary depend on the type of wood or how hard the wood iss or how soft the wood iss it depend on the maker or the builders skill and technique.

Ask yourself another question why some of the djmebe we called master djembe produced from other part of West African countries has a very bad sound? These that means that, the wood is soft too? BIG NO . it’s because of the skill or the technique of the builder

Benji
发表于 2009-10-25 13:51:35 | 显示全部楼层
Hi Aiduanu, I am very glad to see that some one starting to use English to join the discussing, that meas our forum is known by the people whose native langruage is NOT Chinese, Thank you very much!

Yeah, commonly  I agreed with your opinion, not all the Djembes with beautiful painting and soft wood are bad Djembes, the techniques and skills are key points of *good sound*, but our key points is *possibility* which means a djembe like that most likely is a bad Djembe , the possibility is big , instead of 100% , this is my experiences to choose Djembe.  I believe that it doesn't represent all but at least , it met most of the situations in China if you even been here to have an opportunity to buy a djembe, I think that you'll understand what I mean.

To explain that how to make a good djembe is a very hard thing, as it is up to many things: wood, carve , shape,  skins , ropes, konts ,tunning or even weather...  all of them are parts of TECHNIQUE and SKILLS, we don't wanna explain that what is a key points to find a good djembe in detail in such short thread as it is too complex to explian but at least , we can has reader know what COULD BE a bad djembe, a easy-to-know-hint on some sides can have them find a good djembe much easily. we don't want to misdirect them.
  
Thank you for your great post! I hope that you can post more !

[ 本帖最后由 leonfaka 于 2009-10-25 14:10 编辑 ]
发表于 2009-10-25 17:26:37 | 显示全部楼层
Hi leonfakttt thanks for welcoming me to your forum.

Well as I have said before that good quality sound djembe do not necessary depend on the wood it depends on the skill and the technique a builder might be using. You can use a very sound wood to produce a very good sounded djembe so do a very hard wood to produce a very good sound quality. And once more you can use a very hard wood to produce a very bad sounded djembe and a very softe wood to produce a very bad sound quality and it all depend on the maker.

1) For example Soft wood for djembe building: you can build a painted decorated with right technique you djembe will have a very good sound but the life time of the djembe will be lesser if you do not continue to use it often but if it protected a lot with shea butter or coconut oil then you can have it for longtime.

2) Example you can also build djembe from a very hard wood painted or natural color with the right technique the djembe will sound very good and it will also have a very long life if it’s rightly protected more then the softer wood.

To select a good djembe depend on the player whether he is a long time player (professional Djembe player) or just a casual djembe player.
A professional djembe player can select his djembe made from hard wood either painted or natural color, most importantly check for the following tips

1)        Check whether inside of playing heads are properly removed
2)        Check whether there are some oily stain on the skin of the playing head (if oil not Good)
3)        Rope is also important, please note that is not the bigness or the smaller the rope will make the djembe sound good but the strength of the rope is mostly important because you can have a bigger but not strong enough for tuning or pulling and you can get small rope which might be strong enough for tuning or pulling so do the bigger rope.

Beginner should use ordinary djembe with a good sound quality and it might be made from other wood such us red hard twineboa or hard yellow twineboa but not from soft white twineboa. And he or she should look out for the same qualities as I have mentioned in the above of the professional djembe ( 1-3).
Please also note that, their 3 type of twineboa red and yellow hard twineboa relatively hard and white twineboa which soft. And as I have said before good djembe do not depend on the wood, it depends on the maker. And good maker show at less build the djembe with the following tips

1)        how the shell/frame is carve and inside properly removed
2)        strength of the ropes
3)        no oil spot on the goat skin
4)        at less 5days of drying the head after putting the skin on the head
5)        2-4days storing the djmebe in an airy room or place for the tension that took place during the process of drying the head to settle down before tuning.  
All importers should know this basic tips when importing.
发表于 2009-10-26 12:20:42 | 显示全部楼层

excellent point of view

Hi aiduenu, for your :
1)        how the shell/frame is carve and inside properly removed
2)        strength of the ropes
3)        no oil spot on the goat skin
4)        at less 5days of drying the head after putting the skin on the head
5)        2-4days storing the djmebe in an airy room or place for the tension that took place during the process of drying the head to settle down before tuning.

1),2) and 3)can be noticed easily, but how to  guarantee 4) and 5) as you can not see them while you selecting Djmebe, also, even a Djembe can fit 1,2,3 4, 5  , it still might not be a good sound Djembe, the djembe wood is a very important thing to make it, even you have a good technique to make djmebe you will still need good wood to increase your djembe 's sound
in the summary, we are not saying that all soft wood w/ beautiful painting and carving are not  good djembe , we are saying most likely they are not good djembes as it is just a very tough selecting, it just a experience, instead of a  policy . .you have to play it by yourself to choose.
发表于 2009-10-26 17:03:28 | 显示全部楼层
Leonfaka,

Please note that 4) - 5) is very simple to notice, let us take (step 4) for example if the skin on the head is not properly dry and after airy dry they djembe will not provide a good sound no matter how you remove the inside of the djembe. because after tuning for one day it will provide you with a good sound and as days go by the sound will drop, and sometime it a day for the sound to drop.

With (Step 5) is very easy to notice just lift Djembe up and put or dip you hand trough the leg of the Djembe to touch the inside of the Djembe and you will know where it has been properly removed or not and if it properly removed you feel there is enough space in the Djembe head.

As I always says that sound of a djembe do not come from the wood, the wood only pro-long the life time of the djembe. And I will keep on given you best example of the country in Asia that produces djembe with a good wood but the sound quality is bad, does that mean the use bad wood?

I dont believe that with all this steps after you will not have a good sound with softer wood and I can prove wrong with hard evidence.

Well It also seems to me that you misunderstood my arguing point, what am trying to say is that not all djembe painted and designed are bad and also not all djembe not painted or with natural color and hard wood are good.

and the reason being that good sound quality djembe comes from the builders skins and techinque. and i quoted one of the Asia country produce djembe with a very good wood but with a very bad quality sound, does that mean that, the wood is bad or they are lack of skills and techique?
Sorry to tell you this but i have 9years of djembe building and it's not a policy as you seems to say, I am speaking from longtime experience. And i can ask you to send me a soft wood of shell/frame and hard wood of shell/frame and let me prove to you that a good sound of djembe do not necessary depend on the wood.

Benji
发表于 2009-10-26 17:53:39 | 显示全部楼层
Aiduenu, I am very glad to know that you are a djembe maker vs 9 years expericens.

Actually I have either no experiences of djembe making so far , or I have  no softwood or hard wood djembe shell /frame on hand that can send to you to proof anything, but I did noticed many djembes with softwood and /or vs thick/beautiful painting and many carving always give me bad sound here, please ask yourself, except djembe maker, how many djembe beginner really know all other technique sides of it in detail if you didn't play it by yourself? BUT anyway , almost all of the djmebe like that I ever seen are bad sound, this might be a coincidence, but you cannot say that all djemes I met are coincidences. I have said that it is just a POSSIBILITY, instead of  a rule, if people can find a good sound djembe vs soft wood and /or vs beautiful painting and carving , then I will congratulate him or her.

Please note, this is not a post that discuss how to make a good djembe, this just is a post that help potential djembe buyers to identify that what djembes *COULD BE* tourist djembe *from appearance* before they play it .  this is not a forced standard to choose Djembe, I hope that it can help you to understand this post

BTW, I saw some other posts of you on http://www.djembefola.com , is this your posts?: http://www.djembefola.com/board/ ... -ghana-t854-15.html, it looks desc similar thing vs this post,

This should be your site: http://www.westafricandjembe.com , it is very cool, keep great job and make more and more very good djembe for us!

Thanks!

[ 本帖最后由 leonfaka 于 2009-10-26 18:22 编辑 ]
发表于 2009-10-26 19:36:05 | 显示全部楼层
Leonfaka,

ha,ha   i can see you are really Snooping around and that is good, well as you can see from our website we do use red and hard twineboa relatively hard to alot of hard wood, we are use Iroko, mahogany and Odum to produce our professional and master djembe, as we have indicated.

But Leanfaka all that am saying is that you can not judge a book by cover whether it has beautiful or urgly looks untill you start or finish reading then you can judge whether it's a good or bad book.

As i did said in djembefola.

Also note that am not saying people should go in for djembe made from softer wood but am trying to prove a pointed djembe do not sound good because of the wood but it depend on who is building it, that is all that am saying.

Ok let me saying this way what am saying is that there are bad djembe builders no matter what kind of wood you give them whether hard wood or soft wood the finish product will be bad.

AND

There are good djembe builder no matter what kind of wood you give them whether hard wood or soft wood the final product will be good.

  well I love the way djembe is developing in China

Benji
发表于 2009-10-26 22:40:17 | 显示全部楼层
Thank you, You really gave us a good of point of view!  ,  I wish I can meet a Djembe maker like you to make good djembe  in China in a bit future
发表于 2009-10-28 20:48:10 | 显示全部楼层
Sure you are always welcome
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